Re: Internal WG Review: MIPv6 Signaling and Handoff Optimization (mipshop)

["Bernard Aboba" <bernard_aboba@hotmail.com>]

> That's clear enough for me!
> (if it's OK with the rest of the IESG to have a charter that says this.... 
> security people, are you reasonably happy with this?)

We have had quite a bit of experience now with trying to solve security 
problems w/low latency in a mobile environment.  Diameter MIPv4, MIPv6/IPsec 
interactions, EAP w/fast handoff, etc.  We know these problems are HARD -- 
that these interactions are difficult to analyze, that they often require 
new thinking.

So far, very little of that thinking is actually occurring, either in IETF 
or in IRTF.  And I think this is because we have taken on too many of these 
things as WG work items before the technology was truly understood.

I hope that MIPSHOP is not continuing this tradition of "design before 
thinking" but based on the discussion so far, I'm concerned.

At some point, some where, we are going to have to get a group of people to 
sit down, and help us develop the technology with which we will solve these 
problems, instead of just experimenting.  And so far I don't see what the 
plan is for accomplishing that.

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