I agree. We do need to re-examine
mailing list ethics. And until agressive tactics are in place, the
foolishness will prevail.
"James Kempf"
<kempf@docomolabs-usa.com>
09/16/2003 11:32 AM
To
"Steven M. Bellovin"
<smb@research.att.com>
cc
<pregen@egenconsulting.com>,
<wgchairs@ietf.org>
Subject
Re: Question about list members
masquerading as someone else
Thanx for the clarification.
After reading through this message, I realized it
might sound a bit harsh,
but unfortunately, having suffered through this situation myself, where
someone managed to disrupt a mailing list for three months, I feel very
much
in agreement with Fred Baker's comments in the plenary in Vienna: the IETF
tolerates conduct on its mailing lists that no other professional
organization would tolerate. I think we would do well to re-examine this
tendency, and not wait until people's behavior became completely outrageous
before ejecting them.
But that's a discussion for the problem list, so I'll
leave it at that.
jak
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven M. Bellovin" <smb@research.att.com>
To: "James Kempf" <kempf@docomolabs-usa.com>
Cc: <pregen@egenconsulting.com>; <wgchairs@ietf.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: Question about list members masquerading as someone else
> In message <01f401c37b9f$fa516280$956015ac@dclkempt40>,
"James Kempf"
writes:
> >Send them three RFC 2418-mode warning messages privately and if
they do
not
> >stop disrupting discussion, remove them from the mailing list.
Probably
best
> >to keep your AD in the loop on the entire process and have approval
for
the
> >final removal decision, in case the person appeals. If the person
is
serious
> >about IETF work and just has difficulty controlling themselves,
they'll
> >probably stop after one or two warnings.
>
> You MUST involve the AD -- 2418 says that removal can be done only
by
> the AD with the approval of the IESG.
>
> --Steve Bellovin, http://www.research.att.com/~smb
>
>
>