Sounds like time for me to download
the RFC 2418 for some evening reading.
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Margaret Wasserman <mrw@windriver.com>
09/16/2003 11:30 AM
To
"James Kempf" <kempf@docomolabs-usa.com>
cc
<pregen@egenconsulting.com>,
<wgchairs@ietf.org>
Subject
Re: Question about list members
masquerading as someone else
Actually, RFC 2418 does not authorize a WG chair to
remove
someone from an IETF mailing list. As I was very surprised
to discover recently, RFC 2418 reserves this authority to the
responsible AD, with the approval of the IESG.
The applicable section of RFC 2418 says:
"As with face-to-face sessions occasionally one
or more
individuals may engage in behavior on a mailing list
which disrupts the WG's progress. In these cases the Chair
should attempt to discourage the behavior by communication
directly with the offending individual rather than on the
open mailing list. If the behavior persists then the Chair
must involve the Area Director in the issue. As a last
resort and after explicit warnings, the Area Director, with
the approval of the IESG, may request that the mailing list
maintainer block the ability of the offending individual to
post to the mailing list. (If the mailing list software
permits this type of operation.) Even if this is done, the
individual must not be prevented from receiving messages
posted to the list. Other methods of mailing list control
may be considered but must be approved by the AD(s) and
the IESG."
Margaret
At 08:42 AM 9/15/2003 -0700, James Kempf wrote:
>Send them three RFC 2418-mode warning messages privately and if they
do not
>stop disrupting discussion, remove them from the mailing list. Probably
best
>to keep your AD in the loop on the entire process and have approval
for the
>final removal decision, in case the person appeals. If the person is
serious
>about IETF work and just has difficulty controlling themselves, they'll
>probably stop after one or two warnings.
>
> jak
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <pregen@egenconsulting.com>
>To: <wgchairs@ietf.org>
>Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 11:14 PM
>Subject: Question about list members masquerading as someone else
>
>
> > I have a situation on my list where I am fairly sure someone
has signed on
> > with a fictitious name. Not a problem really, lots of people
do this.
> > However, in this case, this "new person" on the list
is making comments
> > defending a position and making comments like "you lie..."
etc. The real
> > problem is this new person is defending the position that someone
on the
> > list can not get anyone else to agree to - and several of us
are fairly
> > sure that the "new person" is indeed the same person
who had made the
> > original position statement.
> >
> > Has anyone else run into this on their list? If so, how
did you handle
> > it? You can't come out on the list and say "hm, Mr.
so and so, are you
> > really who you say your are or are you an alias for ....."
This one is
> > tricky and this person is now really causing the list to turn
into a ugly
> > and nasty mess. Before I do what I have planned, I wanted
to poll the
> > other chairs first. Don't you just love this non-paying
stress
> > jobs....8-(
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