DRAFT Minutes of the September 18, 2003 Telechat

[IESG Secretary <iesg-secretary@ietf.org>]

Dear IESG Members,

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INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the September 18, 2003 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Amy Vezza, IETF Secretariat

ATTENDEES
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Harald Alvestrand / Cisco
Rob Austein / IAB Liaison
Steve Bellovin / AT&T
Michelle Cotton / ICANN
Leslie Daigle / Verisign (IAB)
Bill Fenner / AT&T
Ned Freed / Sun Microsystems
Barbara Fuller / IETF Secretariat
Ted Hardie / Qualcomm, Inc.
Russ Housley / Vigil Security, LLC
Allison Mankin / Bell Labs, Lucent
Thomas Narten / IBM
Jon Peterson / NeuStar, Inc.
Joyce K. Reynolds / ISI (RFC Editor)
Jennifer Rodriguez / ICANN
Dinara Suleymanova / IETF Secretariat
Amy Vezza / IETF Secretariat
Margaret Wasserman / Wind River
Bert Wijnen / Lucent
Alex Zinin / Alcatel

REGRETS
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Randy Bush / IIJ


MINUTES
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1. Administrivia
1.1 Approval of the Minutes

The minutes of the September 4, 2003 Teleconference were approved.
The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

1.2 Review of Action Items

DONE:

o Thomas Narten will send his comments on Creating, Rechartering
and Closing a Working Group to the IESG mailing list.
o Harald Alvestrand will send a proposed authentication method for
Liaison Statement submission to the Secretariat.
o Steve Bellovin will draft a message to the RFC Editor regarding
the early assignment of an RFC number for draft-housley-ccm-mode.

DELETED:

o Steve Bellovin to propose a different document classification
than the current info/proposed/etc.

IN PROGRESS:

o Jon Peterson to review draft-agrawal-sip-h323-interworking-reqs
and send decision to IESG.
o Thomas Narten to write (or cause to be written) a draft on "how
to get to Draft".
o Thomas Narten to contact Cablelabs to discuss formal relationship
with IAB.
o Steve Bellovin to write RFC re: TCP MD5 option.
o Randy Bush and Ned Freed to finish ID on Clarifying when
Standards Track Documents may Refer Normatively to Documents at
a Lower Level.
o Alex Zinin to send proposal and justification for interim
document review.
o Alex Zinin to phrase a question to RTG and OPS Area. Directoriats
and IAB on PPVPN issue. Alex to summarize the results as a proposed
IESG consensus regarding the PPVPN issue to be given to the PPVPN
working group.


NEW:
o Bill Fenner, Ted Hardie, and Thomas Narten to work out acceptable text
to resolve ABNF and SRV issues.
o Harald Alvestrand to consult with Randy Bush and make sure a policy is
generated regarding interoperability testing at IETF Meetings.


2. Protocol Actions
2.1 WG Submissions
2.1.1 New Item

o draft-ietf-iptel-trip-mib-08.txt - 1 of 6
Management Information Base for Telephony Routing over IP (TRIP) (Proposed
Standard)
Token: Jon Peterson

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Margaret Wasserman.*

o Two-document ballot:  - 2 of 6
- draft-ietf-sacred-framework-06.txt
Securely Available Credentials - Credential Server Framework
(Informational)
- draft-ietf-sacred-protocol-bss-08.txt
Securely Available Credentials Protocol (Proposed Standard)
Token: Steve Bellovin

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Russ Housley.*

o draft-ietf-mobileip-aaa-nai-06.txt - 3 of 6
AAA NAI for Mobile IPv4 Extension (Proposed Standard)
Token: Thomas Narten

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Steve Bellovin and Ted Hardie.*

o draft-ietf-pkix-logotypes-11.txt - 4 of 6
Internet X.509 Public Key Infrastructure: Logotypes in X.509 certificates
(Proposed Standard)
Token: Steve Bellovin

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Harald Alvestrand, Ned Freed, Ted Hardie, Margaret
Wasserman, and Bert Wijnen.*

o draft-iab-isocbot-00.txt - 5 of 6
IETF ISOC Board of Trustee Appointment Procedures (BCP)
Token: Harald Alvestrand

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Thomas Narten.*

o Three-document ballot:  - 6 of 6
- draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-mib-13.txt
Definitions of Managed Objects for the Multiprotocol Label Switching,
Label Distribution Protocol (LDP) (Proposed Standard)
- draft-ietf-mpls-ftn-mib-08.txt
Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) Forwarding Equivalence Class To Next
Hop Label Forwarding Entry (FEC-To-NHLFE)Management Information Base
(Proposed Standard)
- draft-ietf-mpls-te-mib-12.txt
Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) Traffic Engineering Management
Information Base (Proposed Standard)
Token: Alex Zinin

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Bert Wijnen.*

2.1.2 Returning Item

o Five-document ballot:  - 1 of 2
- draft-ietf-impp-cpim-msgfmt-08.txt
Common Presence and Instant Messaging: Message Format (Proposed Standard)
- draft-ietf-impp-cpim-pidf-08.txt
Presence Information Data Format (PIDF) (Proposed Standard)
- draft-ietf-impp-pres-03.txt
Common Profile for Presence (CPP) (Proposed Standard)
- draft-ietf-impp-im-03.txt
Common Profile for Instant Messaging (CPIM) (Proposed Standard)
- draft-ietf-impp-srv-03.txt
Address Resolution for Instant Messaging and Presence (Proposed Standard)
Token: Ted Hardie

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Bill Fenner and Thomas Narten.*

o draft-ietf-webdav-ordering-protocol-10.txt - 2 of 2
WebDAV Ordered Collections Protocol (Proposed Standard)
Token: Ted Hardie

The document was approved by the IESG.  The Secretariat will send a
working group submission Protocol Action Announcement.


2.2 Individual Submissions
2.2.1 New Item

o draft-mrose-ietf-posting-03.txt - 1 of 1
A Practice for Revoking Posting Rights to IETF mailing lists (BCP)
Token: Steve Bellovin

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Russ Housley and Thomas Narten.*

2.2.2 Returning Item

o draft-zeilenga-ldap-user-schema-mr-00.txt - 1 of 1
LDAP: Additional Matching Rules (Proposed Standard)
Token: Ted Hardie

The document was approved by the IESG pending an RFC Editor Note to be
prepared by Ted Hardie. The Secretariat will send an individual submission
Protocol Action Announcement that includes the RFC Editor Note.

3. Document Actions
3.1 WG Submissions
3.1.1 New Item

o draft-ietf-send-psreq-03.txt - 1 of 5
IPv6 Neighbor Discovery trust models and threats (Informational)
Token: Margaret Wasserman

The document remains under discussion by the IESG.*

o draft-ietf-ieprep-ets-telephony-06.txt - 2 of 5
IP Telephony Requirements for Emergency Telecommunication Service
(Informational)
Token: Jon Peterson

The document remains under discussion by the IESG.*

o draft-iesg-charter-03.txt - 3 of 5
An IESG charter (Informational)
Token: Steve Bellovin

The document remains under discussion by the IESG.*

o draft-ietf-pkix-warranty-extn-03.txt - 4 of 5
Internet X.509 Public Key Infrastructure Warranty Certificate Extension
(Informational)
Token: Steve Bellovin

The document was approved by the IESG pending an RFC Editor Note to
be prepared by Steve Bellovin. The Secretariat will send a working group
submission Document Action Announcement that includes the RFC Editor Note.

o draft-ietf-tsvwg-highspeed-01.txt - 5 of 5
HighSpeed TCP for Large Congestion Windows (Experimental)
Token: Jon Peterson

The document was approved by the IESG. The Secretariat will send
a working group submission Document Action Announcement.

3.1.2 Returning Item

NONE

3.2 Individual Submissions Via AD
3.2.1 New Item

o draft-rfc-editor-rfc2223bis-07.txt - 1 of 2
Instructions to Request for Comments (RFC) Authors (Informational)
Token: Harald Alvestrand

The document remains under discussion by the IESG.*

o draft-mealling-liberty-urn-00.txt - 2 of 2
A URN Namespace For The Liberty Alliance Project (Informational)
Token: Ted Hardie

The document was approved by the IESG. The Secretariat will send an
individual submission Document Action Announcement.

3.2.2 Returning Item

o draft-siemborski-mupdate-04.txt - 1 of 1
The MUPDATE Distributed Mailbox Database Protocol (Experimental)
Token: Ned Freed

The document was approved by the IESG pending an RFC Editor Note to
be prepared by Ned Freed. The Secretariat will send an individual
submission Document Action Announcement that includes the
RFC Editor Note.

3.2.3 To be assigned
o draft-baker-soap-media-reg-03.txt
The 'application/soap+xml' media type (Informational)

The document was assigned to Ned Freed.

3.3 Individual Submissions Via RFC Editor
3.3.1 New Item

o draft-fleming-ldap-printer-schema-02.txt - 1 of 2
Lightweight Directory Access Protocol (LDAP):Schema for Printer Services
(Informational)
Token: Ted Hardie

The IESG has no problem with the RFC Editor publishing this document.
The Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the RFC
Editor.

o draft-touch-ipsec-vpn-05.txt - 2 of 2
Use of IPsec Transport Mode for Dynamic Routing (Informational)
Token: Russ Housley

The document remains under discussion by the IESG.*

3.3.2 Returning Item

NONE

3.3.3 To be Assigned
o draft-klensin-name-filters-03.txt - 1 of 2
User Interface Evaluation and Filtering of Internet Addresses and
Locators -or- Syntaxes for Common Namespaces (Informational)

The document was assigned to Ted Hardie.

o draft-foster-mgcp-redirect-05.txt - 2 of 2
Media Gateway Control Protocol (MGCP) Redirect and Reset Package
(Informational)

The document was assigned to Jon Peterson.

4. Working Group Actions
4.1 WG Creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF Review

o MIPv6 Signaling and Handoff Optimization - 1 of 2
Token: Thomas Narten

The WG remains under discussion by the IESG.  Thomas Narten will
prepare a revised charter for further IESG review.

o Storage Transport - 2 of 2
Token: Margaret Wasserman

The IESG approved the draft charter for IETF review pending a WG name
change to IP over Fiberchannel (ipofc), as suggested by Margaret
Wasserman.  The Secretariat will send a WG Review announcement, with a
copy to new-work@ietf.org and place the WG on the agenda for the next
IESG teleconference.

4.1.2 Proposed for Approval
NONE

4.2 WG Rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF Review

o Common Control and Measurement Plane - 1 of 1
Token: Alex Zinin

The IESG decided to proceed with IETF review of the revised charter
pending an updated charter provided by Alex Zinin. The Secretariat will
send a WG Review: Recharter announcement, with copies to new-work@ietf.org
and to the WG Chairs. The Secretariat will place the WG on the agenda for
the next IESG teleconference.

4.2.2 Proposed for Approval
NONE

5. Working Group News We Can Use

6. IAB News We Can Use

7. Management Issues

7.1 Appropriate Methods for getting Meeting Minutes from Chairs (Harald
Alvestrand)
This management issue was postponed until the next IESG teleconference by
Harald Alvestrand.

7.2 Interoperability Testing at IETF Meetings (Harald Alvestrand)
This management issue was discussed, and Harald Alvestrand requested that
it be placed on the agenda for the next IESG teleconference.

7.3 Nomcom - List of open positions and appoint a Liaison (Harald
Alvestrand)
This management issue was discussed.  Bill Fenner agreed to serve as the
IESG liaison to the Nomcom.

7.4 Tony Hain Appeal (Harald Alvestrand)

This management issue was discussed.  Rob Austein, Michelle Cotton, Leslie
Daigle, Thomas Narten, Joyce Reynolds, and Margaret Wasserman left the
teleconference prior to the discussion.  The IESG has made a decision on
the appeal, and the decision will disclosed in a message to the IETF
Announcement list.

7.5 Todd Glassey Appeal (Bert Wijnen)
This management issue was discussed.  Harald Alvestrand, Rob Austein,
Steve Bellovin, Michelle Cotton, Leslie Daigle, and Joyce Reynolds left
the teleconference prior to the discussion.  Thomas Narten and Margaret
Wasserman rejoined the teleconference for discussion of this issue.  The
IESG has made a decision on the appeal, and the decision will be disclosed
in a message to the IETF Announcement list.




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