RE: a proposal to be subitted to teh ITU-T TSAG

["Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" <bwijnen@lucent.com>]

I share these concerns. You are not alone.

Thanks,
Bert 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Leslie Daigle [mailto:leslie@thinkingcat.com]
> Sent: zondag 19 oktober 2003 20:11
> To: iab@ietf.org; iesg@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: a proposal to be subitted to teh ITU-T TSAG
> 
> 
> 
> [Just to IAB and IESG]
> 
> I remain very concerned that this is the tail wagging the dog.
> 
> Two separate issues:
> 
> 	. the proposal itself, for which I have the same
> 	  concerns as Harald has expressed earlier (and
> 	  I don't believe are resolved by Scott's responses)
> 
> 	. the fact that the ITU TSB liaison from the IETF is
> 	  creatign process for the IESG with an unspecified
> 	  timeout for comment, as opposed (say) to developing
> 	  it with the IESG and working it with the ITU.
> 
> Am I seriously alone in these concerns?  If so, I don't need
> another battle of wills on my plate, and am happy to walk away
> and let others live with (what I perceive to be) the consequences.
> If not, I need some backup here.
> 
> Leslie.
> 
> Scott Bradner wrote:
> > this is a draft of proposal that Gary Fishman & I have come 
> up with to be
> > submitted to the ITU-T TSAG (the ITU-T's IESG) meeting next month
> > 
> > the proposed committee would be formed when we find a case where we
> > want to work together 
> > 
> > maybe the test case could be megaco - the IETF would pass 
> the token for
> > maintaing/updating megaco to the ITU but keep the megaco WG as
> > a way to ensure IETF involvement in the discussions
> > 
> > comments?
> > 
> > ----
> > 
> > DISCUSSION
> > Scott Bradner, representing ISOC/IETF, and Gary Fishman, 
> Chairman of TSAG,
> > have discussed this topic further and make the following 
> proposal to the
> > ITU-T Study Group Chairmen's meeting and to TSAG.  It is 
> proposed that the 
> > TSAG Cooperation and Coordination Group affirm the desire 
> to permit creation 
> > of a single-document that is approved by both bodies and 
> that a trial 
> > be conducted to gain practical experience that can lead to 
> written IETF 
> > and ITU-T procedures.
> > 
> > PROPOSAL
> > 1. Detailed procedures at this point in time are premature 
> and a trial
> >    case(s) should be identified to gain practical experience first.
> > 
> > 2. The Cooperation and Coordination Group, in conjunction 
> with the ITU-T SG
> >    chairmen at TSAG, identify candidate topic(s), the 
> selection of one or more
> >    being subject to approval by ISOC/IETF, to try out a 
> cooperative process
> >    leading to approval by each organization of a standard 
> published in a
> >    single document.  
> > 
> > 3. The first option for a process is where the work to produce a
> >    specification is done in one of the two organizations 
> with cooperation and
> >    direct involvement of people from the other 
> organization. The other
> >    organization producing and adopting a small 
> specification with a normative
> >    reference to the main specification if needed.
> > 
> > 4. This could include such techniques as the primary group 
> sending a draft
> >    document to the other body to progress the work when 
> necessary, joint
> >    meetings when/if convenient and necessary, sending of liaison
> >    representatives to each other's groups, etc.
> > 
> > 5. IETF and ITU-T management create a Single Document Coordinating
> >    Committee (SDCC) of no more than a half-dozen people, such as
> >    representatives from the responsible IETF WG, from the IESG, the
> >    responsible ITU-T SG, TSAG and TSB.  The role of this 
> Coordinating
> >    Committee would be to address procedural issues as they 
> come up, not to
> >    address technical issues.
> > 
> > 6. The Coordinating Committee shall report to the IESG and 
> TSAG on progress
> >    and/or issues for resolution.
> > 
> > It is expected that procedural issues will arise e.g., related to
> > coordinating and synchronizing the two organizationsâ?? approval
> > procedures, change control procedures, formatting rules, 
> copyrights and
> > publication matters.  The Coordinating Committee will 
> address these issues
> > on a regular basis as well as on an as-needed basis, 
> seeking guidance from
> > their appropriate management or policy bodies and legal 
> advisors of the two
> > organizations as necessary.
> > 
> > 
> 
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