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Re: Nomination for promotion to "Proposed Standard"



Ned,

agree with you on all points, except one.

The gating factor the IETF controls is actually DNS RR numbers - and that is in DNSEXT.

I talked to Ted and Steve (among others) about the RMX thing in Chicago, and agree fully with your analysis of "we need to do something", with "document the cases for which it is broken" being high on the list of "somethings".
(idle query: does @acm.org mail forwarding change envelope FROM?)


But I can't fight all battles - so I flipped this one in the direction of the AD who is in charge of the WG that is attached to the control point.

I'd like Thomas to say "no, and here's why" - or get someone else to do that. (Ned, I didn't want to ask you to take charge of this rampaging beast, given that you won't be in Minneapolis, and have other serious distractions....)

Harald

--On 27. oktober 2003 00:21 -0800 ned.freed@mrochek.com wrote:

Raymond,

a request for adoption as a proposed standard must be passed to the IESG,
so you've acted according to the process.

I'm hereby Thomas Narten, who is in charge of the DNSEXT WG, to act as
shepherding AD for this document.

Note: This area has multiple known proposals, and it would probably be
less than optimal if users deploy four or five different types of
sender-authentication records, all of which need large uptake in order to
be reasonably useful. So expect a debate - and it's by no means certain
that the result will be an IETF standard that resembles your document.

Harald, I note that the ASRG is actively engaged in trying to reconcile several of the proposals in this area. As such, I think the correct course of action is to direct this person to the ASRG so he can join the debate there. I certainly would act to block this document if it came to a vote, citing existing activity being alreayd underway in this area.

Now, perhaps it is inappropriate for the ASRG, a research group, to be
undertaking this activity. If that's the case then perhaps we should
be thinking about creating a WG to handle this.

I also think this proposal has everything to do with MTAs and email
operation
and little if anything to do with DNS operation. As such, I think
assignment of
it to DNSEXT is inappropriate. This belongs in apps.

I will also add that I have serious misgivings about all of the proposals
in
this space, but it seems inevitable that one of them, or much worse, more
than
one of them, is going to see widespread deployment no matter what the
IETF does
or does not do. (SPF in particular seems to be gaining considerable
momentum.)
As such, unpleasant though it may be, we need to be thinking in terms of
damage
control.

Ned