Re: [Gen] Thinking about adding a new person to the IESG

["Spencer Dawkins" <spencer@mcsr-labs.org>]

Either flavor of AD (General AD or assistant IETF chair) would make
sense to me.

Spencer

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <john.loughney@nokia.com>
To: <harald@alvestrand.no>; <iab@ietf.org>; <gen-dir@alvestrand.no>
Cc: <iesg@ietf.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 3:46 AM
Subject: RE: [Gen] Thinking about adding a new person to the IESG


Harald,

I think this is reasonable.  As I thought about it, the questions that
arose were along the lines of: what exactly will the General AD
be responsible for; what things would the General AD consider
when doing document review, etc.  I realized that most of these
questions,
however can be applied to the IESG itself and are not special to a
General AD position.

So, in summary, I see only benefits for adding a General AD.

br,
John


> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:gen-dir-bounces@alvestrand.no]On Behalf Of ext Harald Tveit
> Alvestrand
> Sent: 01 November, 2003 09:22
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> Cc: iesg@ietf.org
> Subject: [Gen] Thinking about adding a new person to the IESG
>
>
> The IESG is considering asking Nomcom to fill an extra position,
> provisionally titled "General AD". No decision has been taken
> yet, but we'd
> like to hear comments from the IAB and the gen-dir before
> going further
> with this.
>
> The reasoning behind creating this position is the following:
>
> - There are a number of activities going on that the IETF Chair
feels
> responsible for. Some of them, but far from all, involve the
> General area
> and the procedure updates. Others include a lot of inter-function
> relationship management, and keeping track of IETF-wide
> topics and issues
> that cannot be solved within a single area.
> - There are a significant number of those things that has a
> significant
> amount of context which is not shared with the rest of the
> IESG. The IAB
> chair shares quite a lot of the context, but does not have
> the same areas
> of responsibility.
> - The load imposed by process issues is very high at the
> moment, and is
> likely to stay there for some time - but should eventually
> decrease to a
> more reasonable level. (All three current GEN WGs are likely
> to shut down
> soon - others might be created, though)
> - The way the IESG works is likely to have to change anyway,
> for other
> reasons, so adding more people to the IESG might not be so much of a
> long-term problem that I've thought it would be before.
>
> There are two kinds of roles we could think of adding to the
> IESG in order
> to help this situation:
> - A "General AD", who has a normal AD function, with
> responsibility for the
> General area
> - An "Assistant IETF Chair", who functions as part of the
> Chair role, is
> expected to be part of all lists and groups where the Chair is an
> "ex-officio" member, and shares context about current IETF
> activities that
> the Chair is dealing with.
>
> The first one is clearly something the IESG can "just decide".
> The second is a new role, which needs some careful thinking before
we
> decide to implement it (or not), and it is necessary to
> discuss this with
> the community before making a decision.
>
> Considering all this, I suggest that we can ask the Nomcom
> for an AD to
> fill the position of "General AD", with the understanding
> that this person
> would also assist and consult with the Chair in following up
> IETF-wide
> issues and cross-area issues, and that if the community
> thinks this is a
> good idea, the person's role could be changed to "Assistant
> IETF Chair" at
> a later time.
>
> (Note: This role is NOT saying anything about who the next
> chair should be.
> Both the idea of an assistant chair that is promoted to chair
> and the idea
> of an assistant chair who smooths the transition to the next
> chair are
> entirely reasonable scenarios.)
>
> Comments?
>
>
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