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RE: STM-M out of STM-N (M<N)



Soumen,

for full transparency (Section/Regenerator Section transparency) only bit 1 has to be set (T=100000...).
However when transporting a STM-64 over a STM-256 in a non standard way, where would you put all the STM-64 SOH. The STM-256 needs usually SOH for its own purpose. So putting 4 STM-64 in an STM-256 is a problem. Solutions with 4xSTM-N over STM-4N I have seen support only transport of part of the SOH, not the full SOH. A solution could be to transport only 3 STM-N over a STM-4N, for example by mapping a STM-N into a VC-4-Xv (X=N+1). For this case the label would be different I assume. In any case this a speculations as we talk about proprietary solutions.

Juergen

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karmakar, Soumen [mailto:soumen@trillium.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 7:14 PM
> To: 'Maarten Vissers'; manoj juneja
> Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org
> Subject: RE: STM-M out of STM-N (M<N)
> 
> 
> Does this mean that the STM64 signal type (as requested in 
> sonet/sdh tSpec)
> can be carried in the STM256 link type ? However this is possible by
> carrying th VC-4-64c with transport overhead only , even 
> though the user
> specifies just STM64 signal type ?
> And the list of valid labels in this case should be 
> S = 1,65, 129, 193 and UKLM = 0,0,0 ?
> Furthermore in the example that you showed below with the 
> following fields
> as :
> ST = 6 (VC4) , RCC =1, NCC =64, NVC =0, MT =1, T =0.
> and why not 
> ST = 11 (STM64) , RCC=0, NCC=0, NVC=0, MT= 1, T = 6 or 7 (110 
> or 111) ?
> assuming full transparency support. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Soumen
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Maarten Vissers [mailto:mvissers@lucent.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 12:57 AM
> > To: manoj juneja
> > Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: STM-M out of STM-N (M<N)
> > 
> > 
> > Manoj,
> > 
> > I do not know what a STM-64c is. Such signal name is not 
> > defined in SDH.
> > Sometimes people use this to indice a (physical) STM-64 
> > signal with a VC-4-64c
> > inside. There is no naming yet around that I am aware of to indicate
> > semi-transparent STM-N signal transport; for this email let 
> > me refer to it as
> > STM-64st.
> > 
> > When you need to transport a STM-64 signal in a 
> > semi-transparent manner via a
> > STM-256, the content of the STM-64st is not-relevant; i.e. 
> > the user may change
> > this content as (s)he likes. That's why the request is for 
> a STM-64st
> > connection. 
> > 
> > 	Note that this semi-transparent STM-N transport is a 
> > work around in
> > 	the absence of full transparency that is offered by WDM and OTN 
> > 	networks. SDH equipment that is capable to support this must
> > 	configure its AU pointer processors into adaptive mode; 
> > i.e. these
> > 	AU PPs must follow the incoming AU structure. In terms 
> > of GMPLS, the
> > 	STM-Nst contains a AUG-N signal.
> > 
> > If I assume maximum transparency to be requested, the 
> > following overhead needs
> > to be passed through: J0, RS DCC, MS DCC, K1/K2, E1, F1, E2, 
> > B1, B2, M0, M1.
> > 
> >      0                   1                   2                   3
> >      0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
> >     
> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
> >     |  ST=11        |      RCC=0    |              NCC=0    
>         |
> >     
> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
> >     |              NVC=0            |        Multiplier 
> (MT)=1      |
> >     
> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
> >     |                  Transparency (T)= 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 
> 1 1 1 0 0|
> >     
> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
> > 
> > Concerning the label, there is essentially no definition of 
> > this in GMPLS
> > SDH/SONET documents. We transport a STM-64st signal, not HOVC 
> > or LOVC signals
> > for which the SUKLM label is specified. Nevertheless, I 
> > assume for this moment
> > that the intention was to reuse the SUKLM label also here 
> > (Eric can we add this
> > explicitly to 
> > draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-sonet-sdh-extensions-00.txt?). So  for the
> > case the AUG-64 within the STM-64st is transported in 
> > timeslot EDCBA=20000 in
> > STM-256, this then results in S=65 and UKLM=0000:
> > 
> >      0                   1                   2                   3
> >      0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
> >     
> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
> >     |               S=65             |   U=0 |   K=0 |   
> L=0 |   M=0 |
> >     
> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Maarten
> > 
> > 
> > manoj juneja wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hi Marteen,
> > >               Thank You for u prompt response. I have 
> > another doubt relate
> > > to this one. If I want to allocate STM64c within STM-256, 
> > then what will be
> > > the difference between the label value if I allocate 
> VC-4-64c within
> > > STM-256. As per my understanding, the transparency should 
> > also be included
> > > in STM64c request (generalized label request object) and 
> > label will be same.
> > > 
> > > Please comment.
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > manoj.
> > > 
> > > >From: Maarten Vissers <mvissers@lucent.com>
> > > >To: manoj juneja <manojkumarjuneja@hotmail.com>
> > > >CC: ccamp@ops.ietf.org
> > > >Subject: Re: STM-M out of STM-N (M<N)
> > > >Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:55:03 +0100
> > > >
> > > >Manoj,
> > > >
> > > >In pure SDH, you can not allocate STM-64 within STM-256. 
> > You can allocate
> > > >VC-4-64c link connection within a HOVC link. The 
> > associated timeslot is an
> > > >AU-4-64c, which is identified in EDCBA terminology with 
> > 10000, 20000,
> > > >30000, or
> > > >40000. If you look in my g707-gmpls-label-conversion 
> > document, you see that
> > > >
> > > >10000 maps on S U =   1 0
> > > >20000 maps on S U =  65 0
> > > >30000 maps on S U = 129 0
> > > >40000 maps on S U = 193 0
> > > >
> > > >KLM in all cases is 000 (i.e. non relevant).
> > > >
> > > >As it is a contiguous concatenated signal, there is just 1 label,
> > > >identifying
> > > >the first timeslot. Assume you want to pass the VC-4-64c 
> > via AU-4-64c
> > > >20000,
> > > >then the label looks like:
> > > >
> > > >     0                   1                   2           
>         3
> > > >     0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 
> > 7 8 9 0 1
> > > >    
> > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
> > > >    |  ST=6         |      RCC=1    |              NCC=64  
> >           |
> > > >    
> > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
> > > >    |              NVC=0            |        Multiplier 
> > (MT)=1      |
> > > >    
> > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
> > > >    |                       Transparency (T)=0             
> >          |
> > > >    
> > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >     0                   1                   2           
>         3
> > > >     0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 
> > 7 8 9 0 1
> > > >    
> > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
> > > >    |               S=65             |   U=0 |   K=0 |   
> > L=0 |   M=0 |
> > > >    
> > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Regards,
> > > >
> > > >Maarten
> > > >
> > > >manoj juneja wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi All,
> > > > >         If I want to allocate STM-M from STM-N (M < N) 
> > then what will be
> > > >the
> > > > > label value in GMPLS ? I mean to say if I get a request 
> > to allocate
> > > >STM-64
> > > > > from STM-256 link then what will be the label value 
> > (SUKLM) and how many
> > > > > labels will be sent back in RESV message ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Please comment.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > manoj
> > > > >
> > > > > 
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