RE: draft-bellato-ccamp-g709-framework-01.txt

["Mannie, Eric" <Eric.Mannie@ebone.com>]

Hello Maarten,

> I had a look at draft-bellato-ccamp-g709-framework-01.txt and must
conclude that
>this document redescribes G.709.

> As such we should not progress draft-bellato-ccamp-g709-framework-01.txt.

This draft started some time ago (and version 01 is not published yet). I
saw private e-mail exchanges between the co-authors in which you are
involved. Do I have to understand that there are new stuffs that you don't
like ? Did the scope of the draft changed ?

Could you tell us why you are co-author of this draft ?

And why such a statement now ?

>Reading this document and other contributions redescribing aspects of
SDH/SONET
>caused the following titles to appear in to my mind :-)
>	"OTN for dummies" or "OTN explained" by the IETF
>	"SDH/SONET for dummies" or "SDH/SONET explained" by the IETF

I'll try to interpret these previous sentences in a non negative way for all
the people involved in SONET, SDH and OTN at the IETF (and I am not the guy
that was the most surprised - I am used to it now :-). Quoting a guy called
Maarten Vissers:

"I had hoped that the time in which IETF characters are looking for
confrontations with ITU-T characters was left behind."

I hope that the character that some of us are playing are not coming from
popular books. This issue reminds me a novel of Stevenson published in 1886:
"The Strange Case of Dr Jekyll and Mister Hide".

Kind regards,

Eric

Eric Mannie

(or Dr. Lanyon should I say :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Maarten Vissers [mailto:mvissers@lucent.com]
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 11:26 AM
To: ccamp; q11/15; t1x1.5
Subject: draft-bellato-ccamp-g709-framework-01.txt


All,

I had a look at draft-bellato-ccamp-g709-framework-01.txt and must conclude
that
this document redescribes G.709. 

Reading this document and other contributions redescribing aspects of
SDH/SONET
caused the following titles to appear in to my mind :-)
	"OTN for dummies" or "OTN explained" by the IETF
	"SDH/SONET for dummies" or "SDH/SONET explained" by the IETF

As indicated earlier this week, IETF should not redescribe SDH/SONET or OTN.
ITU-T has a complete set of specifications, which are available to anybody. 

Those who contribute to the GMPLS work related to the OTN should base their
work
on the ITU-T OTN specifications. Necessary references from the GMPLS OTN
specifications are to be made to the ITU-T OTN recommendations and not to
any
interpretation of those recommendations.

FYI, the list of OTN related recommendations is:

G.872 (version 2)
G.709 + G.709 ammendment 1
G.7041
G.7042
G.798
G.806
G.7710
G.874
G.874.1
G.7712
G.8251
G.959.1
G.664

Furthermore work is ongoing on the following draft recommendations:
G.optperf
G.875
G.gps
G.otnprot
M.24otn

As such we should not progress draft-bellato-ccamp-g709-framework-01.txt.


Regards,

Maarten