Re: [idn] idn wg proposed agenda

[Rick H Wesson <wessorh@ar.com>]

james,

On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, James Seng/Personal wrote:

> > We have allot of market pressure to finish but our chairs apparently
> don't
> > see the value in closure.
>
> Market pressure is only one of aspect the aspect the group have to
> consider. It may be significant to you but not be so to others.

james, its a flag you and your company have waved for a long time you
understand the situation better than most; infact doesn't idns.net profit
from the current market conditions? well, i guess we all do too, but we
still need to resolve IDN.

> The job of the chairs is to gather rough consensus and move them
> forward. And the advises Marc and myself got is to "take as long as it
> takes to get rough consensus but not one day more".

the job of the chair is about process. and I'm saddened that our chairs
are either not involved in one case or in the other have to post from an
account titled 'Personal' to instill personal comments.

you are the chair james, now stand up, build consensus and lets moving.

> If your complains is that the group is not reaching rough consensus fast
> enough for your market demand, then the complaint should be directed to
> the group, not the chairs.

my complaint has to deal with process and a chair thats not providing
enough direction.

> If you think there is rough consensus but the chairs, for some reasons,
> is not moving it forward, then please provide your proof.

ouch, no, I think we have gone way off course and too often off topic.
we need the boat piloted but the captain keeps fishing.

> Otherwise, justify your accussation that the chairs "apparently don't
> see the value in closure", or withdraw it.

james, i don't have to; either you will prove my point by not building
consensus and not moving us closer and loosing us in a miriad of
presentations of drafts we all should have read
 -or-
you will help move this working group forward by providing time for
discussion instead of a litany of draft presentations

its time the rubber hits the road, james, and we make some decisions, and
to do so we need time for debate.


-rick