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Very helpful comments.        Regards  John

"Dana L. Blair" wrote:

> Is there an archive for this list ?
>
> Look for DLB to see my comments.
>
> DLB:  It's great to see these requirements all in one document.  I agree
> with and understand most of the requirements.  Where applicable I have
> identied IP standards which support the requirements.
>
>    Internet Draft                                           P. Reynolds
>    Document: draft-reynolds-mobile-isp-                          Orange
>    requirements-00.txt
>    Expires: Dec 2001                                           May 2001
>
>     Mobile Internet Service Provider (MISP) Requirements for a Wireless
>                          Internet Framework (WIF)
>
> Status of this Memo
>
>    This document is an Internet-Draft and is in full conformance
>    with all provisions of Section 10 of RFC2026.
>
>    Internet-Drafts are working documents of the Internet Engineering
>    Task Force (IETF), its areas, and its working groups. Note that
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>
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>    at any time. It is inappropriate to use Internet-Drafts as reference
>    material or to cite them other than as "work in progress."
>
>    The list of current Internet-Drafts can be accessed at
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>
> Abstract
>
>    The growth in mobile terminal access to the Internet has been one of
>    the greatest growth areas in the past year. Indeed the so-called 3rd
>    generation mobile networks being designed are premised upon Internet
>    services and protocols. Both mobility and wireless access bring with
>    them unique requirements that needs to be addressed within the
>    Internet community such as address space and limited access
>    bandwidth. This document is a synthesis of a yearlong study of
>    mobile operators and mobile ISPs to crystallise these unique
>    requirements. These are provided for guidance and are not intended
>    to be prescriptive on the current Internet Architectural Framework.
>
> Table of Contents
>
>    Status of this Memo................................................1
>    Abstract...........................................................1
>    Overview...........................................................3
>    Current Mobile Wireless Telephone Networks.........................3
>
>    Wireless Internet Access...........................................4
>    Fundamental Technical Challenges...................................5
>
>    Mobile Internet Service Provider (MISP) Requirements for a Wireless
>    Internet Framework (WIF)    May 2001
>
>    Wireless Internet Access Frameworks................................5
>    Mobile Internet Service Provider (MISP) Requirements...............6
>    References........................................................23
>    Author's Address..................................................23
>
>    Mobile Internet Service Provider (MISP) Requirements for a Wireless
>    Internet Framework (WIF)    May 2001
>
> Overview
>
>    The mobile wireless industry is undertaking a major infrastructure
>    change. Its current network was built with only one application in
>    mind: telephony. The industry is developing new network
>    infrastructure that would allow its users to handle many
>    applications. The guiding model is to bring to the industry the same
>    application richness that has benefited Internet users via fixed
>    access networks. The goal of the industry is to transform the
>    current cellular mobile network from an application-dependent into
>    an application-independent wireless access network to the Internet.
>
>    Fixed telephony systems initiated a move towards IP infrastructure
>    because:
>    * development of intelligent terminals enabled their handling of the
>    session control functions. This implied a new framework. It became
>    possible to have a softswitch architecture supported by an open IP
>    access infrastructure. This means that the provider of the
>    softswitch doesn't need to be the same as that of the access
>    network.
>    * intelligent terminals make it easier to implement end-to-end
>    systems
>
> DLB:  I believe there are 3 strong points for why any application, voice
>         included, moves to IP infrastructure.
>
>         1.  Productivity.
>
>                 Not much differentiation in productivity between using legacy
>                 telephony and IP Telephony.
>
>         2.  Cost - infrastructure, deployment, and management
>                 Why purchase, deploy and manage two networks when you
>                         can run all applications over a single IP network ?
>
>                 IP Telephony for Toll Bypass applications has been a big
>                 influence in dropping the cost per minute.
>
>         3.  Rapid feature development through open
>                 Open Protocols, API's, and development platforms.  Legacy
>                 telephony severly lacked in this catagory.
>
>    A wireless Internet framework adopts the distributed nature of the
>    Internet. The Internet Architecture is based on the end-to-end
>    principle where application and control functionality is located at
>    the periphery of the network. The network serves only as a transport
>    infrastructure with no applications and control functions embedded
>    in it. The network becomes application-independent and dumb.
>
> DLB:    Intelligent entities are needed in the network to control access and
>         provide QoS capabilities, and route packets but there should be no
> application elements
>         within the network as part of the forwarding path.
>
>    The fundamental contribution of the wireless-internet efforts are to
>    create a wireless access infrastructure that makes possible end-to-
>    end IP transport between wireless devices, and, between a wireless
>    device and any other device or application connected to the
>    Internet.
>
>    Wireless Internet access will support any application that can use
>    the Internet for transmission of information and one of these
>    applications is telephony. This infrastructure change presents a
>    fundamental change in the service provider business models. It
>    represents a shift from being the provider of access to one service
>    owned by the ISP (plus low bandwidth access to Internet) to
>    providing access to the Internet, where end-users may find many
>    services which are not owned by the access provider. Indeed, some of
>    the telephony services traditionally offered by the access provider,
>    could be offered by a third party provider.
>
> Current Mobile Wireless Telephone Networks
>
>    Mobile Internet Service Provider (MISP) Requirements for a Wireless
>    Internet Framework (WIF)    May 2001
>
>    The current mobile wireless telephone networks have been designed to
>    optimally handle telephony. Mobile wireless networks are circuit-
>    switched and therefore one of its key components the Mobile
>    Switching Centre (MSC), which is the equivalent of a Central Office
>    switch in a fixed telephone network. The other components in this
>    architecture handle functions exclusive of mobile cellular networks.
>    These functions are:
>    * registration (or location updating) and de-registration of a user
>    terminal as it moves from one point of attachment to another (this
>    involves AAA functions)
>    * seamless reconfiguration (re-routeing) of voice circuits from one
>    point of attachment to another
>    * routeing & authorisation of signalling messages to and from mobile
>    stations.
>
>    These functions are provided by the combination of Home Location
>    Register (HLR), Visiting Location Register (VLR), MSC, base station
>    (BS), base station controller (BSC) and Authentication Centre (AuC).
>
> Wireless Internet Access
>
>    The motivation for a wireless access to the Internet is to have an
>    infrastructure that is independent of applications, whose function
>    is to provide transport for IP packets going from one end device to
>    the other. The fundamental difference with fixed Internet access
>    networks is that the attachment point of end devices to the Internet
>    changes as users of devices are in motion.
>
>    Moving to a wireless Internet access framework, involves making
>    radical changes to the wireless infrastructure. Some of these
>    changes will take place in the Radio Access Network (RAN) and some
>    in the access control infrastructure (commonly referred as the core
>    network).
>
>    The ideal IP access infrastructure is one where the RAN is an IP
>    network where base stations, base station controllers, and mobile
>    terminals communicate via IP protocols. There is considerable
>    ongoing work in this area (e.g., the Open RAN work within the MWIF).
>    Initially, the RAN will be implemented as a link layer between
>    mobile terminals and the core access network; as a second stage the
>    RAN will become an IP-routed network. The RAN is a very complex
>    system handling mobility within the multiple base stations in an
>    access network, this involves complex mechanisms and protocols
>    between the mobile station and its various elements. The RAN handles
>    micro-mobility (through soft and hard handoff mechanisms), load
>    control, admission control, relocation, etc., and also provides
>    synchronisation mechanisms for node synchronisation.
>
>    The ideal situation is that all mobility management is performed via
>    IP protocols. However, RANs require massive investments and it is
>    necessary to have a gradual transition process. Some of these RANs
>    have their own mobility management techniques, which are transparent
>
>    Mobile Internet Service Provider (MISP) Requirements for a Wireless
>    Internet Framework (WIF)    May 2001
>
>    to IP protocols. Mobility management functions at layer 3 utilising
>    IP in the core and a non-IETF protocol (e.g. Radio Resource Control
>    - RRC) in the access network.
>
>  Fundamental Technical Challenges
>
>    There has been considerable work in designing all-IP frameworks for
>    fixed access networks. What makes wireless systems special, are they
>    not just another kind of Internet access technology? The answer is
>    yes, but they have special requirements over the fixed access
>    technologies. The requirements stem from solving problems associated
>    with wireless access:
>    * mobile IP routeing - rapid handoff between access points
>
> DLB:  Mobile IP fast handoff drafts should accomplish this.
>
>    * fast registration and de-registration on handoff between disparate
>    technologies (micro v macro mobility)
>
> DLB:  Caching registration information needs work in the IETF.  RADIUS
>         proxy does not currently allow caching of registration info from
>         the Home Radius server.
>
>    * maintaining context and QoS in handoff.
>
> DLB:  Needs work in the IETF.
>
>    * supporting session handoff between terminal technologies.
>
> DLB:  If using Mobile IP protocols, sessions don't need to handoff
>         since the session aware IP address remains the same.
>
>    * supporting transport (i.e. seamless data flow) handoff between
>    technologies _ macrodiversity combining.
>
> DLB:  Mobile IP protocols do this.  rfc2002 allows seamless handover
>         between access technologies.  Mobile IP fast handoff drafts allow
>         can support seamless handover within an access technology.
>
>    * determining how link loss is detected _ in advance or after the
>    event?
>
> DLB:  This is a layer 2 issue.  Timeouts in the session and application
>         layers detect link down conditions.  Faster recognition relies on
>         layer 2 alerts such as Carrier UP or Carrier Down.
>
>    * determining what are the measurement reporting requirements.
>    * determining how all-IP hard/soft hand off can be achieved in
>    required time limits.
>
> DLB:  IP hard handoff is achievable with mobile IP.  Not sure that
>         IP should do soft-handoff since it is really a access link function.
>
>    * assess the extent to which mobility can/should be hierarchical.
>
> DLB:  From the point of view of IP, mobility should have minimum
>         heariarchy as defined in Mobile IP rfc2002.
>
>         MN --- FA (access router)--- HA --- CN
>
>         Home Agent is optional.
>
>    * defining how location management would be achieved, and how a
>    `location/routing area' would be defined, e.g. paging at layer 3
>
> DLB:  IP Paging is not needed for always on IP connection.  Layer 2
>         paging should be used when routable IP address of MN is unknown.
>
>    * defining the communication required between the network
>    measurement function, the policy broker and the subscriber and
>    equipment databases.
>
> DLB:  Needs more explaination.
>
>    * defining how the mobility decision will be handled and executed.
>
> DLB:  Mobile IP allows Mobile Controlled and Mobile Assisted handoff.
>
>  Wireless Internet Access Frameworks
>
>    Multiple organisations are working on defining wireless all-IP
>    access frameworks. They include 3GPP, 3GPP2, and MWIF. 3GPP is
>    chartered with providing a migration path for GSM. 3GPP2 is
>    chartered with providing a migration path for IS41. MWIF is
>    chartered with providing a developing an architecture for cellular
>    mobile networks based upon IETF protocols. 3GPP does not embrace
>    Mobile IP for support of Mobile IP routeing, it uses an enhanced
>    version of the HLR/VLR mechanism from cellular telephony. However,
>    both 3GPP2 and MWIF have embraced Mobile IP for handling IP
>    routeing, plus AAA and IPv6 for the handling of registration & de-
>    registration.
>
>  Wireless Internet Framework Requirements
>
>    When defining a wireless Internet framework it is necessary to
>    recognise that:
>
>    Mobile Internet Service Provider (MISP) Requirements for a Wireless
>    Internet Framework (WIF)    May 2001
>
>    * it is compliant with the architectural principles of the Internet
>    [RFC1958]
>    * radio spectrum is a scarce and limited resource and that use of IP
>    based signalling and transport in the RAN and over the radio
>    interface should respect the needs for efficient use of radio
>    spectrum
>    * it is necessary to take measures to ensure spectral efficiency
>    over the radio interface and that ways of reducing IP overhead, for
>    example by introducing robust header compression are considered
>    * IPv6 will become the dominant protocol, although framework must be
>    capable of inter-working with IPv4 networks and devices.
>
>  Mobile Internet Service Provider (MISP) Requirements
>
>  Mobility Management
>
>    The three aspects of mobility that needs to be supported within a
>    wireless Internet framework are terminal, session, and personal.
>    These in turn need to be supported by a logical mobility manger. In
>    detail:
>
>  Terminal Mobility
>    The wireless Internet framework needs to support the ability of a
>    terminal to move within and across network domains while continuing
>    to receive access to services. Terminal mobility needs to be of four
>    types:
>    * Inter-administrative Domain Terminal Mobility: this refers to the
>    ability of the terminal to move across administrative domain
>    boundaries. The terminal may be within any wireless or fixed network
>    * Inter-technology Terminal mobility: this refers to the ability of
>    the terminal to move across technology domain boundaries.
>    * Macro Terminal Mobility: this refers to the ability of the
>    terminal to move across subnet boundaries within the same
>    administrative domain.
>    * Micro Terminal Mobility: this refers to the ability of the
>    terminal to move across internal boundaries of an access network.
>
> DLB:  AAA and Mobile IP support roaming.  Mobile IP protocols support
> handoff
>         for Terminal Mobility as defined above.
>
>    Session Mobility
>    The wireless Internet framework needs to support the ability of the
>    user to maintain sessions, including continuity of Internet sessions
>    (e.g., http, ssl, tcp, telnet, ftp), during any discontinuity in the
>    access network and while changing between terminal devices and/or
>    access technologies. For example,
>    * the user of a mobile terminal needs to be able to transfer a
>    session to a laptop with DSL connection without losing a specific
>    session;
>    * as a session transfers from an IMT-IS-2000 RAN to an 802.11 LAN
>    via handoff from one access network to another, the wireless
>    Internet framework needs to support session continuity both within
>    the core and in interfaces to other networks.
>
> DLB:  If using Mobile IP, IP applications are unaware of changes in the
>         access link.
>
>    Mobile Internet Service Provider (MISP) Requirements for a Wireless
>    Internet Framework (WIF)    May 2001
>
>  Personal Mobility
>    The wireless Internet framework needs to support the ability of a
>    end-user to obtain services in a transparent manner within any
>    network and on any terminal (subject to the limitations of the
>    network and terminal) on the basis of, either personal
>    identification, or the capability of the network to provide those
>    services according to the end-user's service profile. This mobility
>    includes the ability of a service provider to control the services
>    it provides to the end-user in a roamed MISP. (This is also known as
>    end-user Mobility, SIM Roaming or end-user Service Mobility in
>    3GPP/3GPP2.)
>
> DLB:  SIP Registration supports personal mobility for realtime applications
>          and SMS.
>         HTTP also support personal Mobility.
>         personal Mobility is an application layer thing in my opinion.
>
>  Mobility Management
>    The wireless Internet framework needs to support a core network
>    mobility management function that enables terminal, session and
>    personal mobility across all access technologies. That is, mobility
>    needs to be supported across heterogeneous networks in addition to
>    homogeneous networks. The mobility management function must be
>    flexible, supporting deployment of new access technologies and
>    upgrading of access networks independent of core network
>    enhancements. The mobility management functionality within the
>    wireless Internet framework shall be hierarchical and independent of
>    other functions within the framework.
>
> DLB:  Agreed, and use Mobile IP along with SIP and HTTP.
>
>  AAA
>
>    The wireless Internet framework needs to support the traditional
>    'triple A' services, with the additional burden of both mobility and
>    roaming. In detail:
>
> DLB:  AAA already supports roaming.  What part of Mobility is not possible
>         with existing AAA capabilities ?
>
>  Authentication
>    The wireless Internet framework needs to support:
>    * independent authentication of both a user's identity and a
>    terminal's identity
>
> DLB:  If you have USER authentication, why do you need to authenticate the
>         terminal ?
>
>    * authentication algorithms from GSM & ANSI-41 networks
>
> DLB:  Why ?  GSM and ANSI-41 authentication can be converted to
>         Radius by a gateway.
>
>    * the capability to allow un-authenticated calls (e.g. to emergency
>    services)
>
> DLB:  No problem.  This is really a policy of the service provider.
>
>    * the capability to access user/terminal authentication processes,
>    for e-commerce and other services by way of applications (including
>    3rd party applications).
>
> DLB: Done. e-commerce is already possible with credit card transactions over
> the web.
>
>    * separate authentication for access network and service network
>
> DLB:  Needs more explaination.
>
>    * authentication with entities (e.g. gateways or intranets) in other
>    administrative domains (inter-administrative domain authentication).
>
> DLB:  Need an example to understnad this requirement.
>
>  Authorisation
>    The wireless Internet framework needs to support authorisation for
>    service access independently of authentication. Capabilities are
>    required to support authorisation at the application level.
>    Authorisation needs to be supported to control use of multiple
>    access networks, i.e. once authenticated and authorised on one
>    access network (e.g. GSM), no additional authorisation is required
>    to move to alternative access networks (e.g. IEEE 802.11).
>
> DLB:  Done.  Circuit switched data on GSM uses Radius.  IEEE uses Radius.
>         PPP context on GPRS uses Radius.
>
>    Mobile Internet Service Provider (MISP) Requirements for a Wireless
>    Internet Framework (WIF)    May 2001
>
>  Accounting
>    Accounting is the process, within the wireless Internet framework,
>    by which use of network resources are recorded. An accounting system
>    needs to record network resources used (e.g. packet count), QoS
>    provided (e.g. bandwidth, bearer capabilities) and time and duration
>    of provision of network resources.
>
>    The wireless Internet framework needs to provide an accounting
>    function that allows MISPs to perform billing and auditing functions
>    on individual sessions. The capability needs to exist for a multi-
>    tiered, flexible accounting process (recording of resources used by
>    packet/octet/byte count, content, session length, level of QoS
>    provided) that is capable of handling intra-domain and inter-domain
>    accounting. For example, the MISP may adopt multi-tiered billing
>    which may be used to provide revenue sharing among network (or
>    multiple network) providers, content providers, etc., and it is
>    necessary that the accounting records provide sufficient capability
>    for this to be undertaken. Such information needs to be provided via
>    an open interface, e.g. SNMP, to the network and service management
>    functions.
>
> DLB:  Not sure what you mean be session and content, but packet/octet/byte
>         count can be done with AAA.  QoS accounting can be done with
>         AAA QoS extensions or COPS.
>
>    It is not possible, nor prudent, to identify charging models that
>    MISPs will use for services as part of the provision of the wireless
>    Internet - indeed such information is likely to be commercially
>    confidential. It can, however, be readily acknowledged that MISPs
>    will wish to adapt charging systems as the market evolves, being
>    free to introduce innovative schemes to reflect the deployment of
>    new services. Equally well, while traditional interconnect charges
>    continue to exist for calls connected over the public switched
>    telephone network, it will be necessary to support destination and
>    time dependent charging.
>
> DLB:  Radius and COPS support a variety of billing models.
>
>    In detail, MISPs will require basic units of data to support
>    flexibility in the generation of accounting information for example
>    to account:
>    * on the basis of usage of network resources (e.g. QoS, packet count
>    in both directions, duration of connection)
>
> DLB:  Radius and/or COPS
>
>    * on a non-usage basis (e.g. subscription for a given time)
>
> DLB:  Radius and/or COPS
>
>    * on the basis of a sessions duration and destination
>
> DLB:  what is a session ?
>
>    * on a fixed charge basis, (e.g. fixed charge for an SMS message)
>
> DLB: I don't understand this.  If I have an always on IP connection that
>         I am paying for which uses yahoo instant messaging, why does the
>         service provider need know about this.
>
>         If the service provider, supports an instant messaging service, then
>         they can bill based on the application accounting info.
>
>    * on the basis of access to the end service or content (e.g. micro-
>    charging)
>
> DLB:  Not sure I understand this.  Whoever owns the application server
>         bill for the application usage.  Again if the service provider, provides
>         applications then they bill for them at the application level.
>
>    * for both mobile originated and mobile terminated sessions;
>
> DLB:  From the IP point of view, Mobile originated or terminated is simply
>         matter of which device MN or access router initiated the QoS request.
>         So this can be done through a RADIUS or COPS server.
>
>    * separately for certain sessions for which a pre-paid user may have
>    a contract subscription (e.g. WAP services);
>
> DLB:  What is a session ?
>
>    * for changes in quality of service that may occur during a session;
>    and allow:
>
> DLB:  RSVP with RADIUS or COPS.
>
>    * mobile terminated sessions where there is no charge to the called
>    party
>
> DLB:  Good question.  How is this accomplished with legacy telephony ?
>
>    * mobile originated sessions where there is no charge to the calling
>    party
>
> DLB:  Good question.  How is this accomplished with legacy telephony ?
>
> ...