Re: Minutes / Notes

[Brian E Carpenter <brian@hursley.ibm.com>]

Tony,

Yes, but you can't use the same argument for casual web browsing.

BTW, this is why commercial message queueing systems exist; they
can bridge reliable transactions over significant disconnects.

   Brian

Tony Li wrote:
> 
> Brian,
> 
> If we do not fix this, then we can just close up shop and go home,
> because the business world is NOT going to accept a solution that
> doesn't fulfill this.  They would rather use IPv4 and PI addresses.
> 
> Tony
> 
> |    -----Original Message-----
> |    From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:brian@hursley.ibm.com]
> |    Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 12:58 AM
> |    To: multi6@ops.ietf.org
> |    Subject: Re: Minutes / Notes
> |
> |
> |    Well, this is one of the many "shoulds" in our agreed list
> |    of goals. Whether we can achieve this "should" simultaneously
> |    with enough of the others is very much an open question
> |    in my mind, and it's one of the reasons why we may end up
> |    with more than one solution. In some scenarios, this may
> |    be a dominant goal; in other scenarios, it may be unimportant.
> |
> |      Brian
> |
> |    "Grovesteen, Harold" wrote:
> |    >
> |    > YES!
> |    >
> |    > -----Original Message-----
> |    > From: Tony Li [mailto:Tony.Li@procket.com]
> |    > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 12:38 PM
> |    > To: J. Noel Chiappa; multi6@ops.ietf.org
> |    > Subject: RE: Fwd: Minutes / Notes
> |    >
> |    > Noel,
> |    >
> |    > |    This is only important if you want TCP connections to be
> |    > |    able to survive
> |    > |    having an incoming link fail (i.e. the address on the
> |    > |    local end becomes
> |    > |    unreachable to the rest of the network). This may not be
> |    > |    an important goal
> |    > |    (e.g. the typical web site wouldn't care).
> |    >
> |    > I believe that the WG has come to rough consensus that this is,
> |    > in fact, an important goal for us to solve.  There are
> |    > numerous practical applications that drive this.  More generally,
> |    > we (IETF, vendors) are being asked to make the Internet safe
> |    > for "mission critical" applications and having broken TCP
> |    > connections is simply unacceptable.  Many applications today
> |    > are being outsourced: backups, storage, business applications,
> |    > interactions within an 'extra-net', etc.
> |    >
> |    > Tony