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Re: draft-nordmark-multi6-sim-00.txt



On 30 okt 2003, at 10:41, Brian E Carpenter wrote:

Using diffserv for signalling whether rewriting is allowed doesn't get
too much in the way of regular diffserv use.

I think it does. There are moves afoot to define recommended service
classes and recommended DSCP mappings (for example
draft-baker-diffserv-basic-classes-**.txt)

Why???


I'm continously amazed by what the IETF does and does not find useful work.

and overloading these bits within
a mere 6 bit code space seems to me to be one bridge too far.

Maybe we should hear from people who are using diffserv operationally.


I'd much rather
look at using two different flow labels, where we have a much larger code
space and no suggestion of pre-existing semantics.

Except that you're not supposed to change the flow label for a packet / session, and the fact that many existing hosts come up with random flow labels so it's impossible to set aside values.


And I wish people would think about routers that will be shipped ten
or fifty years from now. If the solution is sub-optimal for today's hardware, that should not in itself be a show-stopper.

Interesting point. I sort of agree. I don't think it applies here,
though. Using the diffserv bits is the most logical and cleanest choice
if we can make it work, and I believe we can.

My point is that even if people think it is slow to look at an extra header
today, this is probably irrelevant in the long term.

And my point was that using the diffserv field is the logical choice, irrespective of the performance of other candidates. So the question is whether there is a reason that invalidates overloading diffserv. This is where we disagree.


However, the meta-question is whether we can come up with something that can ALWAYS work, or if we have to create several alternatives that cater to different needs. I think using the next header field isn't going to to be popular with the firewall crowd. DSCP and flow label may have similar problems.