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[RRG] Ships in the night? RRG, RADIR & ist-RiNG
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- Subject: [RRG] Ships in the night? RRG, RADIR & ist-RiNG
- From: Robin Whittle <rw@firstpr.com.au>
- Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 16:00:23 +1100
- Organization: First Principles
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Can anyone clarify or comment on the roles of these three ships?
They seem to be sailing in the same ocean, ostensibly on the same
mission. However, they rarely, if ever, come close enough to each
other to communicate or work together.
- Robin http://www.firstpr.com.au/ip/ivip/
IRTF Routing Research Group - RRG
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http://www.irtf.org/charter?gtype=rg&group=rrg
http://psg.com/lists/rrg/
http://www3.tools.ietf.org/group/irtf/trac/wiki/RoutingResearchGroup
The RRG mailing list is a hotbed of activity regarding ITR-ETR
schemes for near term, backwards compatible, incrementally
deployable resolution of the routing and addressing problems.
Also discussed are potential upgrades to BGP and longer term
solutions which are not incrementally deployable.
The mailing list continues the discussions of the RAM list, which
grew out of the 2006 RAWS workshop.
I understand the RRG is been charged with the task of identifying
which approaches should be recommended to the IESG to be developed
by one or more IETF Working Groups.
While the problem is of immense importance and while a solution is
urgently desired, I understand there is no absolute timeframe. My
guess is that it will probably be quite a while - a year or so? -
before the current pace of volunteer activity might result in
sufficiently developed alternatives from which a good decision
might be made.
The RRG produced a Design Goals ID (v01 from 2007-07-08):
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-rrg-design-goals-01
RADIR - Routing and Addressing Directorate
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http://www.ietf.org/IESG/content/radir.html
http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/radir/current/
Closed list with public archives. Most members are not active on
RRG list: Marla Azinger, Vince Fuller, Vijay Gill, Thomas Narten
(chair), Erik Nordmark, Jason Schiller, Peter Schoenmaker,
John Scudder.
Produced a Routing and Addressing Problem Statement (v01 from
2007-10-09):
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-narten-radir-problem-statement-01
Not much mailing list activity since then, but phone meeting
notes from 2007-11-27 report "Relatively little traffic on RRG
over last 1-2 months.". Perhaps the sailor in the crows nest
needs a better pair of binoculars - the RRG list has been
a flurry of activity.
ist-RiNG
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http://www.ist-ring.org
Since its inception earlier in 2007, large sums of money seem to
have been expended on a flashy, over-complex, website and the
level of bureaucratic/PR guff and activity reportage which seems
to compulsory in any such EU-funded project.
In the "Deliverables" department, the only thing of potential
substance which exists (as opposed to being planned, but having
no hyperlink) is:
http://www.ist-ring.org/open/ring_pu_d0_5_1_v1_4.pdf
(no text copying allowed) which reports on various activities,
which at first glance seems to consist of attendance at other
organisations' meetings.
The main activity seems to be a "Routing in Next Generation"
workshop, for 13-14 December 2007.
http://www.ist-ring.org/index.php?page=workshops/agenda_2007
This will have presentations on LISP, SixOne, HRA and on the
RRG meetings in Vancouver. The website does not appear to
show where the workshop is taking place.
The Wiki http://wiki.ist-ring.org just seems to be a reading
list - but it is quite extensive.
In few entries in the News and Events section of the main site,
there's nothing much of interest - but in May there was mention
of a "New Report is a Technical Introduction for People Without
an Engineering Background to the Internet’s Infrastructure and
to its Major Protocols and Applications".
The link leads to a page with a link to businesswire article
which links to a researchandmarkets.com page which is selling
the report. This report was not produced by ist-RiNG - I wrote
it! Its real home is:
http://www.budde.com.au/publications/annual/technology/internet-technology-vol-1.html
It took me about 20 minutes of trawling through the ist-RiNG
site to tentatively conclude that they don't have a publicly
accessible mailing list - or perhaps any mailing list - and
that they haven't produced any new ideas or technical documents.
ist-RiNG seems to have staff, lots of taxpayers' money and
corporate and government backing. No volunteer would or could
produce the above-mentioned ring_pu_d0_5_1_v1_4.pdf.
I understand that RRG and RADIR are purely volunteer efforts,
with some volunteers presumably doing it as part of their paid
employment (for large corporations or universities) and others
doing it entirely in their own time.
It seems the future of the Internet depends on a hardy bunch
of adventurers in small vessels, sailing in uncharted waters,
with bold plans.
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