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Re: [RRG] Are we solving the wrong problem?



On 6 mrt 2008, at 15:03, William Herrin wrote:

|I think so, in the end of the day.  It makes re-numbering a non-
|issue, as even active connections will trivially survive.  But the
|transition will be long..... (15 years?)
As always with host changes, I'm not convinced that it takes 15 years to make significant forward progress. The (in)security of the net has done us a favor in that we can now update a significant portion of the hosts within one month of having a patch, and certainly with a new OS every 3-5 years.
It depends on the character of the change. It didn't take 15 years for
TCP window scaling to be deployed; it was out there in only a couple
years. On the other hand, I'd be surprised if IPv6 was deployed to a
usefully ubiquitous level even 20 years after we started.
You are mixing two questions: the availability and use of code. IPv6  
has been available in Windows XP, Mac OS X 10.2 and other OSes for  
more than half a decade now. (Granted, those initial implementations  
in those two OSes weren't ready for prime time, but still.) However,  
just having code in hosts doesn't mean the protocol gets executed.  
Many organizations are reluctant to deploy new "stuff" without a very  
good reason to do so: if it doesn't buy them anything, why risk  
problems? And that's for simple stuff such as ECN, when actual work is  
involved, such as with IPv6, this gets orders of magnitude harder.
A counter argument against the OS update argument: yes, the main OSes  
are often upgraded. But these days, very many devices speak IP and not  
all of them are often updated or even realistically updatable.  
Reflashing a five year old base station or modem, even if the software  
is available, isn't likely to happen in most consumer networks.
But I do agree that it wouldn't take 15 years, especially if there is  
a modicum of backward compatibility. Even if my print server or 3 year  
old cell phone can't do the new cool stuff, if my brand new wifi iPod  
and my regular computers can and the old stuff can still do what it  
did before, I'm happy. And that iPod and the computers can be updated  
quite easily within a few weeks. (I'll run updates unless I'm  
traveling or I'm close to a deadline.) For enterprise installations  
this will be longer but even they will adopt new software after a year  
or two for 98% of their stuff.
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