Scott, |"Clean" as in: in accord with the design goals draft. My version of 'clean' is much strong than just meeting the design goals. It also has to do with complexity, overhead, fit, and harmony. Tony -- to unsubscribe send a message to rrg-request@psg.com with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: <http://psg.com/lists/rrg/> & ftp://psg.com/pub/lists/rrg