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Re: Open question and Critical dependencies



On Tue, 2005-03-29 at 17:18 +0900, Thierry Ernst wrote:
> > > Resistance to adoption of IPv6 in the planet where I live doesn't
> > > exists. I use IPv6 on a regular basis, even to send this mail - you
> > > can check this in my mail header:
> > > Received: from shonan.sfc.wide.ad.jp (shonan.sfc.wide.ad.jp
> > > [IPv6:2001:200:0:8803::53])
> > 
> > Unfortunately, the IETF servers (or the PSG one, in this case) don't 
> > support IPv6 so this is not the case. 
> Hum, is this reasonable that an IPv6 WG doesn't even have IPv6 resources
> ? What about having an additional page which could only be seen through
> IPv6 ? ;-)

http://www.ietf.org.sixxs.org
http://ops.ietf.org.sixxs.org

etc.... or use ipv4.sixxs.org for sites available in ipv6 or
ipv6.sixxs.org for sites available in ipv4 only. Works for Google and
many other sites too, but hopefully they will have an IPv6 capable
version of their selves sooner or later. Not that that helps for the WG
case, but it has been noted a number of times. Randy Bush is the person
to speak to in this case ;) You might want to ask him nicely.

> > However, there should be an IPv6
> >  address in the headers of this email.  :-)
> Yep, I checked !
> 
> Note I didn't say it would be sent with IPv6 all the way long from me to
> all recipients, but it was sent using IPv6 between my laptop (I of
> course use an IPv6 compliant mailer) and my mail server, which is
> located 50kms from where I work.

Unfortunately Cisco PIX's still don't support IPv6 otherwise there would
at least be IPv6 in my mailheaders between my mailer ands my relay
box...

> > > FYI, in my office, we couldn't even get enough IPv4 addresses for
> > > all desktop,
> > 
> > Strange.
> 
> Do you know how many IPv4 addresses have been allocated to each
> countries in the world ? Some have several per citizen, some have 1 per
> citizen, and some less than one. I met people from a Tunisian university
> and they told me they only have 16 global IPv4 addresses.

Then they should go to APNIC and request addresses, who will give them
to them. Just like all other RIR's do. As long as you can show the need
for the address space and pay the lir fee you can get them.

>  I'm quite
> lucky to live in Japan, but this is technology-speaking a very highly
> developped country, so there are no tradeoff between v4 and v6.
> 
> (we could have received more IPv4 addresses if we where willing to
> renumber - which we didn't want).

Then you should not claim that you can't get more addresses.

> > - of the "top 100 English language web sites" not one is reachable
> > over  IPv6
> > - of the "top 100 English language web sites" one times out for AAAA 
> > DNS requests
> > - of the 213 Amsterdam Internet Exchange member's main websites, 9 are
> >  reachable over IPv6 (up from unknown / 4 just under a year ago)
> > - of the 213 Amsterdam Internet Exchange members, 59 had an IPv6 
> > address enabled on (one of their) port(s)
> 
> Would you let us know how you were able to collect such statistics ? 

Google for "top 100 web sites" pick a couple of those lists and check
the listed sites for AAAA records, none of them have them, I don't even
have to check... :(

The latter two, he most likely did by counting the number of peers he
has on the AMS-IX and checking the member list of the AMS-IX and doing
AAAA lookups of their websites... Also on the AMS-IX a ping6 ff02::[1|2]
will give some nice results to who is on that link ;)

Greets,
 Jeroen

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