Re: The poor state of IPv6 apps (so far)

[Robert Moskowitz <rgm-ietf@htt-consult.com>]

Jeroen Massar wrote:
> Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>
> [Why are you actually sending this to the IETF Operations list and not 
> to either the CentOS support lists or other Linux-specific lists which 
> most likely can actually resolve your problem? users@ipv6.org also 
> comes to mind here]

Oh, I am talking a lot on the Centos mailing list.

More just letting a little of my feeling of dismay known to those 
working diligently on deploying IPv6..

But your mention of ipv6.org reminds me that I wanted to go there....

> > Disclaimers:
> >
> >    * I am newly dedicated to working with IPv6, and recently got my /48
> >      allocation to my home lab.
> >    * I am currently only working with Centos (v5.2) systems.
> >    * My 1st main goal is to have P2PSIP (and SIP) running over HIP over
> >      IPv6. And where IPv6 is not available to use Teredo.
> >
> >
> > There are probably more I should list up there, but it will do for 
> > starters. I am using the HIPL code in userspace, as the BEET IPsec 
> > patch is not yet in the Centos kernel (BEET is in, but it needs the 
> > patch to work right).
> >
> > So I need IPv6 apps, and have been having a terrible time of it. I 
> > can list where I am so far, if there is interest (or help 
> > available!), but I do not have a single IPv6 client/server app 
> > running yet after two weeks of work.
>
> Then I would suggest that you get a distribution that actually 
> supports IPv6 correctly. Debian (unstable) is doing this already for 
> years.
> For that matter, a simple combination of Apache2 + Firefox should work 
> on any platform you can find.
>
> CentOS should also though. Also don't expect anything 
> experimental/fairly new (HIPL etc) to just be included in a 
> distribution per default.
>
> > Friday, I decided that IPv4 was just getting in my way to find 
> > working IPv6 apps (until I need to test in a Teredo environment), so 
> > I tried to disable IPv4.
>
> Why would one, today, want to disable IPv4? Unless you are going to 
> proxy every single application (SOCKS comes to mind to solve that), it 
> will not work. See also the threads on 4to6 and other proposals from 
> the last couple of months on this and other related lists (RRG for 
> instance).
>
> > Looks like I cannot, even when I do not start the network
> > service, the loopback device is available with both IPv4 and IPv6 
> > loopback addresses (even when I commented out all references that I 
> > can find for the IPv4 loopback address).
>
> A lot of applications only work on IPv4 and IPC on a lot of Operating 
> Systems use the loopback interface for communication, you thus won't 
> be able to turn that off easily for the next couple of years.
>
> > I find this unsettling. Kind of like an IPv4 forevermore position, 
> > with IPv6 kind of sometime.....
>
> The IETF's position has for a long time been to suggest dual-stack 
> deployment.
>
> Greets,
>  Jeroen