Re: WG Chairs Training

[pregen@egenconsulting.com]

Spencer, apologies accepted, especially if you call me Pat (because I'm not
Pete)
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                      Spencer Dawkins                                                                                                  
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                      03/18/03 01:49 PM                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                       




And my apology to Rik and Pete, because after re-reading, they
were very clearly raising a different issue as well as the one I
was talking about...

But the wgchairs social was still worth it, even if I'm in a
coma this morning!

Spencer

--- pregen@egenconsulting.com wrote:
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> Regarding the naming of drafts - there is also the problem of
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> putting a working group name in the title and on the draft
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> there has been no discussion with the WG on either the list or
> otherwise.
> People sometimes assume that since this is "about" a topic
> that a WG is
> managing then it is ok to say the draft is part of that WG.
> When this new
> draft is not on that WG's charter, life gets interesting.
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> It's probably worth mentioning that I see many working groups
> that just kind of absorb individual drafts as working group
> drafts, without the kind of major decision point, and
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> of editor rights and responsibilities, that Margaret has in
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> training material, and that Aaron is providing input on below.
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> And this unstudied absorbing is Not A Feature...
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> Spencer
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> p.s. a process nit, not a presentation nit - we're still
> confused about whether draft-ietf-wgname draft names matter or
> not. Steve Coya has been pointing out that there's no link
> between a draft name and whether it's REALLY a working group
> draft or not, in the working group chair training for multiple
> years, but I'm hearing more reports of IESG and IAB members
> basing the decision to look closely at a draft on the name,
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> not on whether it's actually a working group draft or not.
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> We should be a lot clearer on whether we expect all working
> group drafts to be explicitly named to reflect this or not.
> IMHO, of course.
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> --- Aaron Falk <falk@isi.edu> wrote:
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> > 3. My approach is to make clearly charge the document editor
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> >    ownership of extracting feedback and consensus from the
> > mailing
> >    list.  The editor is responsible for tracking and getting
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> >    on open issues.  An important part of this is having the
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> >    send issue summaries to the list (sometimes with proposed
> >    solutions, sometimes not).  YMMV.
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> > Hope this helps,
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> > ---aaron
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