heads up due to a major <bleep> i will not go into at this time, the november ietf meeting has been scheduled in direct conflict with an ieee meeting (scheduled long before) which many of our folk also need to attend. the ieee meeting is light on friday. thus we will want to move as many conflicting groups to friday as we can. off hand, i can think of aaa capwap eap mobilty things radius ... so we should expect and plan for (wiht hotel, local host, ...) a full day friday. randy