RE: Question about list members masquerading as someone else

[Eastlake III Donald-LDE008 <Donald.Eastlake@motorola.com>]

I would agree with Avri.

 

Note that saying some statement is a "lie" is quite different from merely saying it is "wrong" or "inconsistent" ...  In particular, calling it a lie is an attack on the person by making the assertion about their internal mental state: that they are deliberately making a statement knowing it to be wrong. I would think you should contact the accuser privately and ask them to retract such statements they have made and cease making them in the future. If they refuse to do so then you could bar them on that basis.

 

(Of course, it is hard to have a general policy that always applies. For example, presumably there is a vanishingly small probability that the person being disruptive actually has some proof, like a videotape of the person they are attacking in which that person says they are going to engage in a campaign of lies. But even if that were true, the accuser isn't going about things the right way and should, in the least disruptive way practical, be requesting some action against the purported liar.)

 

Donald

-----Original Message-----
From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri@acm.org]
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 3:00 AM
To: wgchairs@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Question about list members masquerading as someone else

In some ways it might not matter if the person is masquerading. If she or he is being disruptive and using personal invective, you probably have sufficient cause to warn and then restrict from the list.

I would not in any case make a public list accusation of pretended identity. Something like that would very hard to prove.

a.

On måndag, sep 15, 2003, at 15:14 Asia/Seoul, pregen@egenconsulting.com wrote:

I have a situation on my list where I am fairly sure someone has signed on with a fictitious name.  Not a problem really, lots of people do this.  However, in this case, this "new person" on the list is making comments defending a position and making comments like "you lie..." etc.  The real problem is this new person is defending the position that someone on the list can not get anyone else to agree to - and several of us are fairly sure that the "new person" is indeed the same person who had made the original position statement.

Has anyone else run into this on their list?  If so, how did you handle it?  You can't come out on the list and say "hm, Mr. so and so, are you really who you say your are or are you an alias for ....."  This one is tricky and this person is now really causing the list to turn into a ugly and nasty mess.  Before I do what I have planned, I wanted to poll the other chairs first.  Don't you just love this non-paying stress jobs....8-(

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