RE: next steps on reviewing the appeal process

["Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" <bwijnen@lucent.com>]

Todd, you can of course ask the IESG what the next steps would be
if you (or any other individual in the IETF) feels that some BCP
RFC (in this case RFC2418) does not work.

And Harald (implicitly) answered that the logical next step is to 
check the poised mailing list to see if you are all alone or if
indeed a wide (sub)set of IETF people feel the same. And then he
stated that you have apparently already done so.

So I think his response was quite appropriate. As far as I know,
the IESG believes that RFC2418 is basically OK. And so we (as IESG)
do not need to start new discussions on its validity. If there are
enough people in the IETF who feel that a change is needed, then
they better get together on the poised list and come out with
proposals as to what kind of changes they want and then try to
get poised and IETF consensus on those proposals.

Thanks,
Bert 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: todd glassey [mailto:todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net]
> Sent: zaterdag 20 september 2003 22:15
> To: Harald Tveit Alvestrand; iesg@ietf.org; Contreras, Jorge
> Subject: Re: next steps on reviewing the appeal process
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Harald Tveit Alvestrand" <harald@alvestrand.no>
> To: "todd glassey" <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net>; <iesg@ietf.org>;
> "Contreras, Jorge" <Jorge.Contreras@haledorr.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 9:36 AM
> Subject: Re: next steps on reviewing the appeal process
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > --On 20. september 2003 06:37 -0700 todd glassey
> > <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Gentlefolk - What are the next steps in formally 
> reviewing whether the
> > > Appeal Process is effective in addressing the appeals for 
> 2418 sanctions
> > > anw what not.
> >
> > Todd,
> >
> > you've already taken the logical second step - by asking 
> the poised list
> > whether people agree with you that such a review is needed.
> > So far, you have zero support on that list.
> 
> No Harald - I asked the IESG what they proposed to do about 
> the fact that
> the Appeal Process does not work.
> 
> Your distaste or dislike for me is further evidenced herein 
> and documents
> why this type of reform is now so necessary - because 
> obviously this is your
> IETF and anyone trying to get anything fair and open into 
> your IETF will
> need to deal with you and the ruling party on this... Or at 
> least that is
> how it seems, - Tell me Harald - did I misinterpret anything there?
> 
> Todd
> 
> >
> >
> 
>