How about the following -- a model much like the coordination
with the W3C. This would allow a broader discussion venue
for matters of mutual interest, without trying to create cross-
organizational approval processes.
(N.B.: This is not a final proposal from the IAB; this is Leslie's edit
suggestions to Scott, IAB and IESG).
Leslie.
PROPOSAL
1. Detailed procedures at this point in time are premature and a trial
case(s) should be identified to gain practical experience first.
2. The Cooperation and Coordination Group, in conjunction with the ITU-T SG
chairmen at TSAG, identify candidate topic(s), the selection of one or more
being subject to approval by ISOC/IETF, to try out a cooperative process
leading to approval by each organization of a standard published in a
coordinated fashion.
3. The first option for a process is where the work to produce a
specification is done in one of the two organizations with cooperation and
direct involvement of people from the other organization. The other
organization producing and adopting a small specification with a normative
reference to the main specification if needed.
4. This could include such techniques as the primary group sending a draft
document to the other body to progress the work when necessary, joint
meetings when/if convenient and necessary, sending of liaison
representatives to each other's groups, etc.
5. IETF and ITU-T management create a Document Coordination Discussion
Committee (DCDC) of no more than a half-dozen people, such as
representatives from the responsible IETF WG, from the IESG, the
responsible ITU-T SG, liaisons, TSAG and TSB. The role of this
Coordinating
Committee would be to discuss coordination procedural issues as they
come up,
not to address technical issues.
6. Members of the DCDC would report any identified issues to their
organizations, for resolution in the appropriate venues.
7. Final approval of any documents remains the purview of the body
that is hosting the specification development work (IETF or ITU).
It is expected that procedural issues will arise e.g., related to
coordinating and synchronizing the two organizations discussion
procedures, change control expectations, and publication matters. The
DCDC will address these issues on a regular basis as well as on an
as-needed basis, seeking guidance from their appropriate management or
policy bodies and legal advisors of the two organizations as necessary.
Scott Bradner wrote:
this is a draft of proposal that Gary Fishman & I have come up with to be
submitted to the ITU-T TSAG (the ITU-T's IESG) meeting next month
the proposed committee would be formed when we find a case where we
want to work together
maybe the test case could be megaco - the IETF would pass the token for
maintaing/updating megaco to the ITU but keep the megaco WG as
a way to ensure IETF involvement in the discussions
comments?
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DISCUSSION
Scott Bradner, representing ISOC/IETF, and Gary Fishman, Chairman of TSAG,
have discussed this topic further and make the following proposal to the
ITU-T Study Group Chairmen's meeting and to TSAG. It is proposed that
the TSAG Cooperation and Coordination Group affirm the desire to permit
creation of a single-document that is approved by both bodies and that a
trial be conducted to gain practical experience that can lead to written
IETF and ITU-T procedures.
PROPOSAL
1. Detailed procedures at this point in time are premature and a trial
case(s) should be identified to gain practical experience first.
2. The Cooperation and Coordination Group, in conjunction with the ITU-T SG
chairmen at TSAG, identify candidate topic(s), the selection of one
or more
being subject to approval by ISOC/IETF, to try out a cooperative process
leading to approval by each organization of a standard published in a
single document.
3. The first option for a process is where the work to produce a
specification is done in one of the two organizations with
cooperation and
direct involvement of people from the other organization. The other
organization producing and adopting a small specification with a
normative
reference to the main specification if needed.
4. This could include such techniques as the primary group sending a draft
document to the other body to progress the work when necessary, joint
meetings when/if convenient and necessary, sending of liaison
representatives to each other's groups, etc.
5. IETF and ITU-T management create a Single Document Coordinating
Committee (SDCC) of no more than a half-dozen people, such as
representatives from the responsible IETF WG, from the IESG, the
responsible ITU-T SG, TSAG and TSB. The role of this Coordinating
Committee would be to address procedural issues as they come up, not to
address technical issues.
6. The Coordinating Committee shall report to the IESG and TSAG on progress
and/or issues for resolution.
It is expected that procedural issues will arise e.g., related to
coordinating and synchronizing the two organizationsâ?? approval
procedures, change control procedures, formatting rules, copyrights and
publication matters. The Coordinating Committee will address these issues
on a regular basis as well as on an as-needed basis, seeking guidance from
their appropriate management or policy bodies and legal advisors of the two
organizations as necessary.
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