RE: draft-ops-mumble-terminology-00.txt

["Stevens, Mark" <markstevens@lucent.com>]

Andrew:
The goal is to select and define a single set of terms, but the mumble draft
does not make that selection, it merely expresses what we see as two
perspectives that are confusing the usage of the terms in different working
groups. It would have been optimal to select a set of terms and define them,
but we were a bit slow out of the gate after Chicago and we settled for
elaborating on the differences in usage rather than nailing down new
definitions. 

To you question, PDP/PC is not our suggestion for a new term, it is merely
way of expressing the correlation between these two terms. The text
following these headings is meant to compare and contrast the terms in hopes
of spuring the development of a new definition for the old term or new term
with a new definition. Neither Fran nor I have a strong preference for a
particular term. What we wanted to do in the document is to make people
aware of the sublte differences in the separate workings groups' usage and
we used PC to represent a variant usage of PDP. Once we acknowlege the
variant usage, we can incorporate the meaning into whatever term we use an
move on. 

I don't think that we spoke to it well in the document, but I believe that
one of the difficulties that we in each of the working groups are facing is
the fact that not everyone believes that a repository containing expressions
of policy can be the sole point of interoperability in a policy system. Once
we address this problem, I think that we will be better able to develop a
unified approach.

-Mark

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Andrew Smith [SMTP:andrew@extremenetworks.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, October 26, 1999 7:48 PM
> To:	'Stevens, Mark'; Fran Reichmeyer (E-mail)
> Cc:	mumble@ops.ietf.org
> Subject:	RE: draft-ops-mumble-terminology-00.txt
> 
> Mark, Fran,
> 
> I'm having trouble with the terms "Policy Decision Point/Policy Consumer"
> and "Policy Enforcement Point/Policy Target". As I understood it, and I
> wasn't at the meeting in Chicago so correct me if I'm wrong, this draft
> was
> to have come up with a *single* set of terminology that we could all start
> using: but maybe your goal in this draft is a more general commentary on
> how
> different people use the different terminology (see e.g. section 2.3). 
> 
> So my question is this: is "Policy Decision Point/Policy Consumer" the new
> term or is this offered as 2 synonyms "Policy Decision Point" and "Policy
> Consumer"? If the former then I think it is rather a long and clumsy term,
> if the latter then I say: let's pick one.
> 
> Andrew
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stevens, Mark [mailto:markstevens@lucent.com]
> > Sent: Friday, October 22, 1999 1:53 PM
> > To: internet-drafts@ietf.org
> > Cc: mumble@ops.ietf.org
> > Subject: draft-ops-mumble-terminology-00.txt
> > 
> > 
> > Please publish this document as an internet-draft. 
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > Fran Reichmeyer
> > Mark Stevens
> > 
> > *******************************
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >      Internet Draft                                    
> > Francis Reichmeyer
> >      Expiration: March 2000                                 IPHighway
> >      File: draft-ops-mumble-terminology-00.txt         Mark Stevens