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erik feeling bouncy



this has been happening for a day.  anyone can reach erik?

randy


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From: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
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Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 22:41:35 -0700
To: Erik Nordmark <Erik.Nordmark@sun.com>,
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   Thomas Narten <narten@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: Opt-in to experimental
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>> I don't have a problem with publishing opt-in for the historical record
>> as informational provided it is clear in the document that it documents
>> an idea that was considered and not adopted. But I do have concerns about
>> when it gets published; after DS+2535bis would be best. Doesn't prevent
>> folks from finishing the document now and it can queue (in the WG or at
>> the AD) on hold until DS+2535bis finishes.
> 
> i would be happy with this.  should the chairs so announce?

whoppened to this?

randy