Re: draft charter for SAddArch (Scoped Address Architecture) discussion list]

["James Kempf" <kempf@docomolabs-usa.com>]

I presume Tony Hain's appeal may reach us shortly. Should that have any
impact on IAB contribution to the discussion?

Other than that, the charter looks fine.

            jak

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Leslie Daigle" <leslie@thinkingcat.com>
To: <iesg@ietf.org>
Cc: <iab@ietf.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 6:13 PM
Subject: [Fwd: draft charter for SAddArch (Scoped Address Architecture)
discussion list]


>
> Howdy,
>
> As mentioned on today's IESG call, this is the charter for the
as-yet-unannounced
> saad discussion list.  The original goal was to provide a venue for
follow-up
> to the open architecture meeting in Vienna.  A general discussion list in
> this area seems needed.
>
> As I also mentioned, this seems to have some relation to (but is not an
> alternative for) the HIP BoF.  Insight into whether or how to position
this
> so that people know which discussions to take where would be helpful.
>
> Also, prior to announcing the discussion list, the IAB had discussed
seeding
> it with some considered notes from teh open architecture meeting.  Mark
> Handley has drafted some.  I've expressed some concern that they may
> inadvertently take the discussion back down the site local rathole, but
that
> may be my own lack of insight in that area talking.
>
> Mark, would you be willing to share your draft with the IESG for further
> discussion about the best tactic for ensuring we keep a useful space for
> saad, and don't inadvertently take the IETF community back down a familiar
> rathole?
>
> Leslie.
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: draft charter for SAddArch (Scoped Address Architecture)
discussion list
> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 02:00:11 -0400
> From: Leslie Daigle <leslie@thinkingcat.com>
> To: iab@ietf.org
>
>
> *DRAFT*DRAFT*DRAFT*DRAFT*DRAFT*DRAFT*DRAFT*DRAFT*DRAFT*DRAFT*DRAFT
>
> We have specified an Internet that works, at the network layer,
> using relatively stable but not permanent identifiers for connection
> endpoints, which are allocated and administered using a topology dependent
> model, implying a service provider dependent model.
>
> But we run into problems (the architecture doesn't quite fit) when
> we try to address some scenarios encountered in real life:
>
>     . multihoming
>     . assembling a local network without necessarily
>       having to contact an ISP to obtain address space
>       (e.g., home net)
>     . renumbering local networks without significant pain
>     . working with wireless networks, where the concept of "link"
>       can be quite fuzzy
>
> Some proposed solutions are challenged in terms of:
>
>     . providing referential integrity - how is referential
>       integrity maintained when identifiers are not globally
>       unique or are overloaded?
>     . choosing between different identifiers for an object which
>       has different "reachability" and the reachability is
>       context-dependent
>     . security/transiting trust in layered address
>       resolution
>     . providing solutions that work across all layers of
>       the stack and all areas - how do we find a solution
>       that is great for routing but also great for security?
>
> The purpose of this mailing list is to identify and clarify the types of
> problems we are encountering with the current architecture, and
> to debate the merits of approaches that:
>
>     . provide scoping at the IP layer
>     . provide scoping at some other (single) layer
>     . provide new addressing paradigms that span several layers
>
> Out of scope for this discussion list are:
>
>     . discussions of specific proposed "solutions" (except as
>       illustrations for discussing problem types, and merits of
>       general approaches)
>
> -- 
>
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> "Reality:
>       Yours to discover."
>                                  -- ThinkingCat
>
> Leslie Daigle
> leslie@thinkingcat.com
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> -- 
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> "Reality:
>       Yours to discover."
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> Leslie Daigle
> leslie@thinkingcat.com
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