Re: Clue (Re: A concept resurrected(?) - WG secretary?)

[David Meyer <dmm@1-4-5.net>]

On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 09:41:26PM +0100, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:
>> --On 13. oktober 2003 08:42 -0700 David Meyer <dmm@1-4-5.net> wrote:
>> 
>> >
>> >	Uh, please stop using the term "clue". It is a derogatory
>> >	and serves no purpose other than to maintain some kind of
>> >	class system (and I'm reasonably sure that none of us
>> >	really wants that). There is enough "real" negative stuff
>> >	going on, and surely there are any number of positive
>> >	ways to refer to the people who might make the best note
>> >	takers.
>> 
>> David,
>> get a clue.
>> Or, in more neutral terms - I disagree with you. Strongly. Even after 
>> having thought about it.
>> 
>> When we have to say that someone doesn't understand something, that person 
>> may very well be insulted no matter how much we try to veil it. We still 
>> have to act on the fact.
>> 
>> The IETF isn't a nose-counting democracy. Uneven distribution of clue is 
>> one reason.
>> 
>> I'm sorry. If we waste our time trying to decide on "noninsulting" language 
>> for terms that have been in regular usage since before I joined the IETF, 
>> and in the process hide the meaning of what we are actually trying to say, 
>> we all lose.
>> 
>> [note - this may seem a frivolous use of mailing list bandwidth. But if we 
>> blindly accept people berating each other for use of language that is, in 
>> fact, reasonable, I think we also contribute to destroying our 
>> effectiveness at having an open discussion. That's the only reason why it 
>> matters.]

	Ok, I understand.

	Dave