I think it's not really "Last Supper" unless we get bread and wine. Not that I'd mind :^) (actually, we could do the whole passover thing, but then we'd need lamb substitutes for us veggies, eanabs for those who don't do wine, and a substitute starch for those whom wheat doesn't work. Makes you wonder sometimes how the secretariat does these things....) Getting back to real life, I've heard several folks in Qualcomm say they liked getting to *see* the IESG and IAB at the plenaries, because they often weren't all that sure of who folks outside of their areas were or how they behaved. I suspect that this was less the case in my previous jobs because the involved folks there had been involved much longer and knew the players. If we ditch this, we need to come up with some way of making sure that (new) folks (who are interested) can get a sense of who the IESG is and how they interact with the folks in the community (especially since some portion of that audience will be or is the NomCom, and this is one of the few ways they get to see how we interact with the community). I am happy to believe that there are better ways of getting there, but ditching this one until we have that done doesn't seem like a good idea. I'd also be happy to do something that ensured that those speaking weren't perceived as "lower" in status by virtue of placement. Ted At 12:20 PM -0400 08/15/2003, Rob Austein wrote:
At 15 Aug 2003 09:03:03 -0700, Eric Rescorla wrote:I wouldn't say assertion so much as acknowledgement. The IESG (and to a lesser extent the IAB) has a quite significant amount of authority over the IETF. I think it's therefore incumbent on us to sit up there and behave like it. Think of it as representative democracy if you like.and in the culture that formed most of my opinions about the way people interact politically, sitting up on a stage as a visible symbol of leadership would have been considered arrogant in the extreme. different people are comfortable with different symbols, and one should chose one's symbols carefully, for one may be forced to live with them. "we're all bozos on this bus"